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	<title>Comments on: Martin H. Greenberg and John Helfers (eds); Slipstreams</title>
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		<title>By: Michael M Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback.  Every little bit helps in the long run.  You might be interested to know that Mike Resnick and Eric Flint picked up &quot;Claus of Death&quot; for their reprint anthology of fantasy detective stories, THE DRAGON DONE IT (Baen, March 2008), where I&#039;ll be rubbing shoulders with the likes of Gene Wolfe, Esther Friesner, David Drake, and Neil Gaiman.  It&#039;s looking to be a great collection, and I hope you&#039;ll check it out. :&gt;

I&#039;ll have to go back and check what you said against the story.  I&#039;m always trying to improve.  And yes, the title was intentionally bad.  I&#039;m hoping future Nick St. Claus exploits will do even better. :&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback.  Every little bit helps in the long run.  You might be interested to know that Mike Resnick and Eric Flint picked up &#8220;Claus of Death&#8221; for their reprint anthology of fantasy detective stories, THE DRAGON DONE IT (Baen, March 2008), where I&#8217;ll be rubbing shoulders with the likes of Gene Wolfe, Esther Friesner, David Drake, and Neil Gaiman.  It&#8217;s looking to be a great collection, and I hope you&#8217;ll check it out. :&gt;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to go back and check what you said against the story.  I&#8217;m always trying to improve.  And yes, the title was intentionally bad.  I&#8217;m hoping future Nick St. Claus exploits will do even better. :&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: summervillain</title>
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		<dc:creator>summervillain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, thanks for writing. I&#039;ve passed my copy of &lt;cite&gt;Slipstreams&lt;/cite&gt; on to another reader, so I can&#039;t double-check, but I think my consistency issue with &quot;Claus of Death&quot; was that the climax of the story revolves around the reader being unaware of something -- the extent and nature of the narrator&#039;s magical powers -- that the narrator is well aware of. (If it helps, the last rejection letter I got took me to task for the very same flaw.) You nailed the hardboiled tone and I love the concept of a P.I. who &quot;knows if you&#039;ve been bad or good&quot;; I enjoyed the story even if I didn&#039;t think it was completely successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, thanks for writing. I&#8217;ve passed my copy of <cite>Slipstreams</cite> on to another reader, so I can&#8217;t double-check, but I think my consistency issue with &#8220;Claus of Death&#8221; was that the climax of the story revolves around the reader being unaware of something &#8212; the extent and nature of the narrator&#8217;s magical powers &#8212; that the narrator is well aware of. (If it helps, the last rejection letter I got took me to task for the very same flaw.) You nailed the hardboiled tone and I love the concept of a P.I. who &#8220;knows if you&#8217;ve been bad or good&#8221;; I enjoyed the story even if I didn&#8217;t think it was completely successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael M Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael M Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch.  Sorry &quot;Claus of Death&quot; didn&#039;t work for you so well, in title or in predictability.  I&#039;m interested in finding out what you found internally inconsistent about it, though, if just so I can improve on things in the future.

But hey, thanks for picking up, and writing about, Slipstreams.  I certainly appreciate the intelligent critique of the anthology, and the commentary on my story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch.  Sorry &#8220;Claus of Death&#8221; didn&#8217;t work for you so well, in title or in predictability.  I&#8217;m interested in finding out what you found internally inconsistent about it, though, if just so I can improve on things in the future.</p>
<p>But hey, thanks for picking up, and writing about, Slipstreams.  I certainly appreciate the intelligent critique of the anthology, and the commentary on my story.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought of Barthelme as a postmodernist, but now that you mention it &lt;i&gt;The Dead Father&lt;/i&gt; is pretty slipstreamy.

I should also remember that Carol Emshwiller has been doing it since forever (she was mentioned in one of the &lt;i&gt;Issues At Hand&lt;/i&gt; books, which startled me when I read it). Supposedly a biography/retrospective of the Emshwillers is coming out soon.

&lt;i&gt;You were kind enough to set me up with a copy of Cold Hand In Mine, for which I hope I’ve been appropriately appreciative.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;d completely forgotten that. In fact, I still don&#039;t remember it, but I&#039;ll take your word for it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought of Barthelme as a postmodernist, but now that you mention it <i>The Dead Father</i> is pretty slipstreamy.</p>
<p>I should also remember that Carol Emshwiller has been doing it since forever (she was mentioned in one of the <i>Issues At Hand</i> books, which startled me when I read it). Supposedly a biography/retrospective of the Emshwillers is coming out soon.</p>
<p><i>You were kind enough to set me up with a copy of Cold Hand In Mine, for which I hope I’ve been appropriately appreciative.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;d completely forgotten that. In fact, I still don&#8217;t remember it, but I&#8217;ll take your word for it!</p>
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		<title>By: summervillain</title>
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		<dc:creator>summervillain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tim, I&#039;m planning to write about &lt;cite&gt;Feeling Very Strange&lt;/cite&gt; too, as part of a general stlipstream-y antho kick. Also in the reading queue is &lt;cite&gt;Paraspheres&lt;/cite&gt; (Rusty Morrison &amp; Ken Keegan, eds) which has a little more historical perspective what with the inclusion of Angela Carter and Rikki Ducornet -- but still no Aickman, nor Donald Barthelme.  Last night started in on &lt;cite&gt;Interfictions&lt;/cite&gt; (Delia Sherman &amp; Theodora Goss, eds) which starts out with a mildly intimidatingly academic but cogent essay (from Heinz Insu Frenkl) explaining among other things that I completely misconstrue the intended use of interstitial above, and a pair of stories (from Christopher Barzak and Leslie What) that I definitely dug.

You were kind enough to set me up with a copy of &lt;cite&gt;Cold Hand In Mine&lt;/cite&gt;, for which I hope I&#039;ve been appropriately appreciative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tim, I&#8217;m planning to write about <cite>Feeling Very Strange</cite> too, as part of a general stlipstream-y antho kick. Also in the reading queue is <cite>Paraspheres</cite> (Rusty Morrison &#038; Ken Keegan, eds) which has a little more historical perspective what with the inclusion of Angela Carter and Rikki Ducornet &#8212; but still no Aickman, nor Donald Barthelme.  Last night started in on <cite>Interfictions</cite> (Delia Sherman &#038; Theodora Goss, eds) which starts out with a mildly intimidatingly academic but cogent essay (from Heinz Insu Frenkl) explaining among other things that I completely misconstrue the intended use of interstitial above, and a pair of stories (from Christopher Barzak and Leslie What) that I definitely dug.</p>
<p>You were kind enough to set me up with a copy of <cite>Cold Hand In Mine</cite>, for which I hope I&#8217;ve been appropriately appreciative.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even &lt;i&gt;Feeling Very Strange&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;The New Wave Fabulists&lt;/i&gt;, compiled by experts, were only about half slipstream by my reckoning (although both were of higher quality that your description makes &lt;i&gt;Slipstreams&lt;/i&gt; sound). I think that either there aren&#039;t really enough slipstream authors to go round, or my strangeness bar is set too high.

One thing I don&#039;t understand is why none of these anthologies include any stories by Robert Aickman. I would consider him, along with Kelly Link (who I&#039;m virtually certain has read him, although the two have many differences as well as similarities), to be the closest thing slipstream has to a type specimen, and he was doing it thirty to forty years ago. Plus his books are hard to find, so any editor that included him would be doing folks a huge favor. If, like me, you think &lt;i&gt;Magic For Beginners&lt;/i&gt; is the best thing to come down the pipe in ages, you owe it to yourself to track down a copy of &lt;i&gt;The Wine-Dark Sea&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;Cold Hand In Mine&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even <i>Feeling Very Strange</i> and <i>The New Wave Fabulists</i>, compiled by experts, were only about half slipstream by my reckoning (although both were of higher quality that your description makes <i>Slipstreams</i> sound). I think that either there aren&#8217;t really enough slipstream authors to go round, or my strangeness bar is set too high.</p>
<p>One thing I don&#8217;t understand is why none of these anthologies include any stories by Robert Aickman. I would consider him, along with Kelly Link (who I&#8217;m virtually certain has read him, although the two have many differences as well as similarities), to be the closest thing slipstream has to a type specimen, and he was doing it thirty to forty years ago. Plus his books are hard to find, so any editor that included him would be doing folks a huge favor. If, like me, you think <i>Magic For Beginners</i> is the best thing to come down the pipe in ages, you owe it to yourself to track down a copy of <i>The Wine-Dark Sea</i> or <i>Cold Hand In Mine</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: 2fs</title>
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		<dc:creator>2fs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Jack the Tripper&quot;? Waitaminnit...I think you&#039;re onto something! The real, true identity of Jack the Ripper...and a new way to interpret &lt;I&gt;Three&#039;s Company&lt;/i&gt;! I&#039;ll get to work on this immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jack the Tripper&#8221;? Waitaminnit&#8230;I think you&#8217;re onto something! The real, true identity of Jack the Ripper&#8230;and a new way to interpret <i>Three&#8217;s Company</i>! I&#8217;ll get to work on this immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: Editrix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Editrix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help it: &quot;Slipstream&quot; makes me think of Pavement.

&lt;em&gt;Summervillain’s First Corollary of Crap Historical Fiction: If you’re in late 19th-century London, you can scarcely take a step without tripping over Jack the Ripper.&lt;/em&gt;

Damn that Jack the Tripper!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help it: &#8220;Slipstream&#8221; makes me think of Pavement.</p>
<p><em>Summervillain’s First Corollary of Crap Historical Fiction: If you’re in late 19th-century London, you can scarcely take a step without tripping over Jack the Ripper.</em></p>
<p>Damn that Jack the Tripper!</p>
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		<title>By: Ezra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and speaking of time travel…
http://forums.koalawallop.com/viewtopic.php?t=1719</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and speaking of time travel…<br />
<a href="http://forums.koalawallop.com/viewtopic.php?t=1719" rel="nofollow">http://forums.koalawallop.com/viewtopic.php?t=1719</a></p>
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		<title>By: summervillain</title>
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		<dc:creator>summervillain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A neat trick, isn&#039;t it? The story is creepy as all get out even though (or maybe because) you can&#039;t pin down exactly what does or doesn&#039;t happen. I love &quot;The Specialist&#039;s Hat&quot; too.  I&#039;ve heard of both &lt;cite&gt;Voyagers&lt;/cite&gt; and &lt;cite&gt;Quantum Leap&lt;/cite&gt; but have never seen either one, except for maybe ten minutes in a hotel room on a business trip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A neat trick, isn&#8217;t it? The story is creepy as all get out even though (or maybe because) you can&#8217;t pin down exactly what does or doesn&#8217;t happen. I love &#8220;The Specialist&#8217;s Hat&#8221; too.  I&#8217;ve heard of both <cite>Voyagers</cite> and <cite>Quantum Leap</cite> but have never seen either one, except for maybe ten minutes in a hotel room on a business trip.</p>
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